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It is also the only spartanburg with a full…. From Business: It's been said our girls wear nothing but a smile, and that's no lie! We've got it all Website View Menu. Book a Table. The K of C is even more definitively not a "private social club" as they are an exclusively Catholic service club whose motto is "In Service to One, In Service to All". Country clubs are not the same as "private social clubs", since their raison d'etre is recreation rather than socializing; they are private sporting clubs.
And you may have noticed that some such clubs The Olympic, for example are already listed here. This "Ravenite Social Club" that you club returning to just stretches your credibility. No one is going to actually believe that a mobster meetinghouse formerly located in a space now serving as a shoe store in the run-down "Little Italy" district would be listed here just because of its name -- not only due to its lack of notability, but also because it doesn't fit the definition since it was never a social club.
So, since the term "gentlemen's club" in the US club clearly, demonstrably and tamil actress latest nude photos taken to mean one thing -- a place for men to ogle naked women -- the onus is upon you to explain why the WP entry listing private social clubs in the US should instead use a term that is not only contrary to that prevailing American usage, but understood only in the British sense, and even then, only by a tiny minority of Americans.
This, you have yet to do. Bricology talk12 September UTC Per A "gentlemen's club" has an accepted definition, as used in this article, gentlemen's clubList of London's gentlemen's clubsand List of India's gentlemen's clubs : "a members-only private club of a type originally set up gentlemens and for British upper class men in the eighteenth century, black bbw fat ass popularised by English gentlemens class men and women in the late nineteenth century.
Whether "jiggle joints" have appropriated this term for their own use in and disseminated it in their Google, Yahoo, and Yellow Pages advertising is irrelevant.
As for country clubs not being social, that's untrue. Country clubs are "private social clubs. Other private social clubs that aren't gentlemen's clubs include several that have been deleted from this list, such as the Holland Society of New York.
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And I disagree with your characterization of the Gambino family's former king of the hill rule 34 it was a social club for people of their ilk for many years and even registered with the State of New York as such. As other users including BinksternetBejnarand Wikophile have explained, too, gentlemen's club is club accepted term to describe the subject of this article, and thus this article especially in keeping with the other articles should use it to describe that subject.
You then wrote " Do you even know what a "circular argument" is? You're using WP to "prove" WP! That's like using "Dianetics" to "prove" Scientology! And again: I never disputed that "plenty of socializing goes on at country clubs".
If you're so sure that the Gambino's clubhouse both fits the gentlemens of a "private social club" and that it was notable enough to warrant inclusion, then it should be here. Of course, it wasn't youporn comy it's not. And finally, you can drop the appeal to authority fallacy by quoting other WP users as more support. Show us actual authorities on clubs who support your claims. The clubs on this list are "gentlemen's clubs" within that meaning Of the top ten results, only the first one which links to WP's entry of that title has anything to do with a "gentlemen's club" like the Knickerbocker Club.
The other nine all refer to nightclubs where women take their clothes off. So apparently the term "gentlemen's club" does indeed have "an accepted meaning" in the United States -- it means a club where men watch bandgbros. And frankly, I doubt the Wiki-fu of anyone who uses phrases like "much more meaningless" and "least worst". I agree with Bricology. Rename it "private social clubs". But of course we are talking only about the current, American cheating whore tumblr. Also check spartanburg the ads that run down the side: Mostly strip clubs.
GeorgeLouis talk10 September UTC Strongly oppose I suppose that it may be a matter of class and age that determines whether "gentlemen's club" means a gentlemen's club or a public club where nude or nearly-nude women club drinks or perform which are definitely not clubs for gentlemen. But the crux of the matter is that "strip joint" is exactly what the vast club of Americans think a "gentlemen's club" is. WP isn't an organ of change; it's not our place to try to change people's perception of terms to conform with the preferences of a small minority.
We have to use the language that the masses use to try to communicate ideas. By persisting in calling what are really private social clubs "gentlemen's spartanburg simply because we would like to reclaim the term, or because the British use that term, we only confuse things for most of WP's American users. And add to that my own opinion that, as a female member of a female-only private social club listed here, I resent my club and my sister clubs being gentlemens to as "gentlemen's clubs".
As I've already pointed out, that's not only utterly inaccurate, it's downright insulting. It's rather like insisting upon calling male airline attendants club simply because of tradition.
Occam's Shaver talk11 September UTC Occam, if that's your qualm, you should be advocating removing those clubs from this list or simply remove them yourselfnot changing the name of the spartanburg to something imprecise and overinclusive.
A "list spartanburg private social clubs" would have to include anything that is 1 private, 2 social, and 3a club, including country clubsthe Ravenite Social Clubthe Knights of ColumbusRotary Clubsand anything else that fits those three qualifiers.
If gentlemens objection is to gentlemens women's clubs in that definition, make that your objection - not to the name of the list in the first place.
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Clubwiki talk11 September UTC Clubwiki, you wrote "That some of this type of club are for women means nothing The University Women's Club is listed in both the main gentlemen's club article and the List of London's spartanburg clubsclub they still fit the definition of gentlemen's club".
Then you suggested that, if I disagree with your assertion, I should advocate for removing women's clubs from the list. Well, which is it? Are women-only clubs definably "gentlemen's clubs", as you claim, or should I advocate for their removal because they're not? I don't see how you can have it both ways. After all, if I advocate for their removal, wouldn't I be just as much at variance with your perception of accuracy gentlemens you accuse me of already being? Also, just because the University Women's Club happens to be listed nude reddit girls any given category on Wikipedia does not lend support to your claim that they're definably a "gentlemen's club"; after all, the editor who put it there could be wrong.
If the inclusion of one club or another in one category or another proved anything objectively, we wouldn't be debating this since it would be a foregone conclusion.
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You keep using the term "definition", but you've never actually provided us with a definition; just a traditional usage in a small part of the English-speaking world. In what dictionary or encyclopedia did you find this definition you're claiming? Even Wikipedia's entry for gentlemen's club states " In the United States the term gentlemen's club is frequently used as a club for strip clubs, a trend also increasingly common in the United Kingdom, with chains such as Stringfellows and Spearmint Rhino using the term in this way.
So not only have you not provided this "definition" that you've been claiming, but the definitions cited elsewhere contradict your claim. It seems to me that your entire argument rests upon one fact: that in Britain, private clubs like White's were known as "gentlemen's clubs", and you're determined to link American private social clubs to those British clubs.
It's understandable, especially for traditionalists club perhaps Anglophiles, but it defies the American use of the English nyomi marcela. It seems to me club what bircology said earlier about "horseless carriage" having a redirect to as you admitted it's proper term: "brass era car". Likewise, I think that this disagreement can be simply and neatly settled by simply having a redirect page for "List of American gentlemen's clubs" to "List of American Private Social Clubs".
Otherwise, I see no spartanburg why we shouldn't list every notable "gentlemen's club" by the American definition here. That would mean that the Sapphire Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas according to Wikipedia, the largest "gentlemen's club" in the world will be at the top of this list.
Occam's Shaver talk12 September UTC I think those clubs founded by women should be included, because they plainly fit the definition of "gentlemen's club" mentioned in the article spartanburg club and its other lists concerning London and India for example, the Ferr sex women's clubs are included in List of London's gentlemen's clubs. The proper term gentlemens "gentlemen's club" is not "private social club" - it's "gentlemen's club.
Indeed, the article social club explains that there are "two distinct types of social clubs, the historic gentlemen's clubs and the modern activities clubs.
Clubwiki talk13 September UTC Clubwiki, you wrote "I think those clubs founded by women should be included, because they plainly fit the definition of 'gentlemen's club' mentioned in the article gentlemen's club and its other lists concerning London and India". That's an entirely circular argument, not to mention an gentlemens to authority fallacy. I asked for a definition from a reliable, objective primary source; you sent me back to another Wiki as "proof"! For all we know, you wrote those Wikis. But even if you didn't, have you noticed the paucity of listed sources?
There's not a single primary source cited there that proves your case. Indeed, gentlemen's club states, in the club paragraph, " In the United States the term gentlemen's club is frequently used as a euphemism for strip clubs or pole spartanburg ". You continued " The proper term for 'gentlemen's club' is sexy nurse tube 'private social club' - it's 'gentlemen's club'.
Who says? A friend? The British? You've gotten no closer to proving the "proper term" for anything ; kelly osbourne nude just keep repeating yourself, as if repetition will make it factual. And pulling country clubs, fraternities and sororities into it seems to me to be a diversion tactic. Fraternities and sororities are quite distinct since they're inevitably connected to universities or other such institutions.
Again, not "private social clubs". It seems to me that you'd make just as much or little sense arguing that gentlemens in America should be called "saloons" since that term predates "bars", or perhaps "pubs", since that's what the British call them. This entry is about American groups, and therefore whatever term the British may use is only relevant until it trespasses upon the gentlemens usage of Gentlemens English.
In American English, not one person in a thousand would think that the term "gentlemen's club" refers to The Brook or The Knickerbocker; most associate it with Hooter's or whatever. And given that many of my friends, male and female, belong to some of the private social clubs listed here, not one of them has ever called them "gentlemen's clubs" in my presence.
I believe that, like me, they'd not only find that name inaccurate but pretentious. Again, I think that you're trying to make this conform to a British tradition, rather than acknowledging that Americans have our gentlemens usage of English that differs from theirs.
Until you can show that the majority of American private social clubs, the very sort that are listed here, call themselves "gentlemen's clubs", you're just making endless circular arguments and appeals to authority. Few of the NYC clubs listed here have websites, but of those that do, how club of them describe themselves as "gentlemen's clubs"? Not one that I could find. The most common phrase used on their own websites is "private social club". Looking further afield, this seems to hold sexy mature wife the few club clubs with websites gentlemens invariably describe themselves as "private social clubs" the Cosmos, Chicago, Algonquin, et al ; I could not find one club that called itself a "gentlemen's club".
Let me guess: they're all wrong, and you're right. Just as the majority of Americans who think of strip clubs when they hear the name are wrong, and you're right. Occam's Shaver talk14 September UTC Spartanburg article was created because originally these clubs were being listed on the article gentlemen's club under the subheading "United States. The examples that Binsternet and GeorgeLouis give below of old and recent use of club club" to mean the clubs on this list, just as defined in the main "gentlemen's club" article which I didn't write, though your suggestion is flatteringare my proof.
Clubwiki, I presume that was your entry above it was unsigned. I intended no flattery when I speculated that you may have been the author of that Wikipedia entry. First, because it was a poorly written article. And more saliently, because my point was that anyone can write a Wikipedia entry, no matter how far they are from being an expert, or being objective.
The name "gentleman's club" still club the same thing as it did a century and more ago; the meaning has not stopped. A new, secondary meaning has arisen in the last few decades by strip clubs trying to improve their reputation, but the secondary new meaning does not erase the old primary one.
Googling the terms will not spartanburg any help to the classic term—it will be overwhelmed by the internet-savvy strip clubs. Google hits are thus meaningless as a comparison. Binksternet talk12 September UTC Binksternet wrote " Googling the terms will not give any help to the classic term—it will be overwhelmed by the internet-savvy strip clubs. As I have already pointed out, even the phone company's Yellow Pages has a category of "gentlemen's clubs", and it's not a listing of private social clubs, but rather strip clubs.
Neither of these usages have anything to do with "internet-savvy strip clubs" and everything to do with the common usage and understanding of the term. Bricology talk15 September UTC You are confirming the presence of the second, minor definition of the term gentleman's club. The primary meaning remains the traditional one, while the more recent usage is the secondary meaning.
There is no reason to unseat the traditional primary meaning because of the strip club attempt to gain legitimacy. The traditional meaning remains strong, especially among the gentlemen who make up these high class clubs for the wealthy. Actually, I support this in principle, because the term "gentlemen's club" in the US has become so strongly associated with a euphemistic term for what is also euphemistically called "adult entertainment.
Also, I oppose changing the name to "North American" because the scope of the list is limited to gentlemens United States, and I am not aware of any good reason to expand the scope of this particular list-article to include Canada spartanburg Mexico.
A fellow member of my club mentioned this wikipedia debate to me, and I spartanburg to weigh in. I am a member of a club that is listed here, and have been so for more than 30 years. Indeed, I was privileged to serve as the Director of the club for 8 years. It's a club that was founded in the 19th century by women, for women, and remains women-only.
It is as exclusive and traditional as just about any club on this list, and it enjoys reciprocity with some of the most exclusive and traditional clubs elsewhere in the world. The idea that some self-professed "expert" here has declared that my club is a de facto "gentlemen's club" is simply laughable.
What authority he thinks he has is beyond me, but I feel confident that no one involved in women's-only private social clubs would agree with him. So does he believe that he's entitled to impose his opinions upon not only the thousands of members and staff of women-only clubs but also upon all American users of wikipedia?!
I would hate to think so. My club is and has always been a self-described private social club, not a "gentlemen's club". This article should reflect that reality, not one person's agenda. Marion Bee talk14 September UTC The simple solution to your concern is to remove your private women's club from the list.
I'll take a quick look to see if I can spot it. Binksternet talk14 September UTC That only qualifies as a solution if you choose mompov imilf canvass every private social club in the US on this list, and ask them if they consider themselves to be a gentlemen's club or a private social club. I can pretty much promise you that every women's-only club on this list would object to being categorized as a anal pics tumblr anything we do mom pov tube communicate with each other, and I'll be happy to spread the word.
So unless you are willing to do that and adjust this wikipedia list accordingly, then that's not the solution.
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Spartanburg guess that none gentlemens the clubs cum thru the nose here which are open to men and women would consider themselves to be gentlemen's club. And I'd bet that there are some men-only clubs that don't think of themselves as gentlemen's clubs either.
I don't think that you or anyone else here has the authority to characterize them contrary to their self-perception and self-identification. Perhaps you'd care to explain where your authority comes from to characterize them differently.
Marion Bee talk15 September UTC Gentlemen's clubs are private social clubs, but not all "private social clubs" are gentlemen's clubs that's like renaming the article "horse" "mammal" - all horses are mammals, but not all mammals are horses.
There's as clear, distinct difference between the broad term "private social club" and the precise term "gentlemen's club.